Who owns my guild?

     The Lonely Pally posed the excellent question of who owns a guild in Blogazeroth and answered it very well. We all agree that in Cataclysm guilds are more of a team effort than they were in Wrath. It takes more than one person to level a guild, it takes more than one person to make a community of players striving for the same goal and yet one person can completely destroy a guild and render months of work by a group of people meaningless.

     Guilds are always, despite the words of anyone in them, dictatorships in WoW. Sometimes you can have benevolent ones, they are caring and get input from all members, making decisions as a group with no one person having more say so than another. Sometimes the Guild Leader rules with a more iron fist, telling people what they should do and how it should be done in every aspect of the game while expecting total loyalty to his or her in-game goals. Both kinds of leadership can be effective and move guilds to where they want to be but in both the GL has the option of disregarding the time and commitment you have put into the guild and /gkicking you to the curb. Guild charters and rules clearly state what is and is not acceptable in your particular guild but it is always enforced at the discretion of your officers and GL.

     Most guild leaders would not kick someone without a very good reason. They appreciate the time and work you put into the guild as much as you enjoy the perks and camaraderie you receive from it. Officers normally respect the members of their guild and no matter how a guild is run they are normally full of like-minded people. When things went badly in a guild in Wrath, people talked out the issues and if they couldn’t find a way to be happy most left the guild to find a better in-game home. I have seen things change for the worst in Cataclysm, people who have invested a lot into a high level guild do not feel that leaving is an option unless they go to a guild that is at the same level or higher than their previous guild . Sometimes the grind back to exalted can lead to people to stay even when they would rather move on.

     I believe that a guild is owned by the people who work to make it succeed but that the structure of guilds in-game undermines this principle. All members who are active and contribute to the goals of the guild ensure it will prosper. I am encouraged to believe that Blizzard changing the guild talent trees into a set path is their first step towards changing the guild dictatorships into a democracy. I hope that when paid guild transfers become a reality there is a voting system to make sure the guild wants to leave instead of leaving this decision up to one person. As much as we would all like to think we had an equal stake in our guilds, it is up to Blizzard to make sure that we have ways of making decisions that reflect the wishes of all guild members.


Rift Guild

A couple of RL friends and I are starting to recruit for our guild on RIFT. We are looking for players who are driven to enjoy everything the game has to offer without whining about how WoW did it. We understand that they are similar but are two separate games. We plan on seeing end level content in a reasonable amount of time. We would like players who can take direction, improve their play, don’t stand in fire and know how to pull the right boss or people who are fun to play with. The last is most important.
We offer a fun and funny group of players in return. We are split between US and Canada locale wise. We will be on the Keenblade server and we are Defiant. Our guild rules will be the same as the Guild Rules post on here if you are interested. The website is here but it is currently under construction so keep your expectations low. You can comment here for more info if you want. I am pretty optimistic about this one filling up quickly because people love my recruitment messages for the most part and they are a great group of players.

When Good Guildies Go Bad – Shared Topic

It happens to everyone sometimes; the fight they can’t master as quickly, the one person they can’t get along with or they have a slump in performance. What can you do to help? I would vote for a quick shout of “Daasss Boooot!” followed by /gkick but that might not suit everyone so I will try to help you help them.

  1. Ask them what the problem is. This might seem dumb but if you don’t ask them why they are cutting up you might never know.
  2. When they start to answer, pretend you are paying attention to every word by actively listening. Active listening is when you rephrase what you were just told into a question. Example: Mary: “I hate Igigi, he is a jerk who always makes fun of me for having lower DPS than Himmler.” Me: “So you feel like Igigi is making fun of your performance fail? How do you think I should approach him to let him know that is not ok?”
  3. Help them. If they need help with performance, review parse logs to see how the top rated players of their class give priority to their spells; go over their gear, talents, enchants, and gems but be polite when suggesting changes. Do not say , “Paladins don’t need spirit as prot, newb.” Do say,  “I noticed you made some unique choices with your gems, the majority of players go with stamina but I was curious why you chose what you did.” If they need help with other players in guild, you normally do better middle manning then letting them work it out together. Example of what I mean by middle manning, Me: “Igigi, I have noticed that you have been a little harsh on Mary’s performance lately. I think this is making a negative feedback loop and affecting the whole raid. I would really appreciate it if you worked this out with her in whispers or if you want y’all could jump on vent, if you want a third-party I would be willing to moderate.” When I said middle manning it, I meant introducing the subject not playing “He Said, She Said” with the involved subjects. If a moderator is requested make sure you do not have a bias against or for either player before agreeing to do it.
  4. Follow through. Just because the problem looks resolved does not mean it is. Wait a week and go over how the changes are going for your guildie. If the problem was performance, ask the player how their numbers are now, if they enjoy their rotation and if they feel that they need anymore help. If it is a problem between players, talk to each of them separately and let them know that you are just checking up if they were ok with how things are now.

Disclaimer, this is what I do in my family and guild. It might not work for you or your guild. The preceding was meant as a general guideline, please adjust for the individual situation. It works best when you are an officier.

Topic originator

Recruitment Machinima

   I have decided to create a recruitment machinima. I thought it would be different and hopefully draw players who are what we are looking for. I would like to get the rest of my guild involved in it but not everyone knows what a machinima is. I have created a really short one to give them an idea and thought I would share it on here too. The whole thing took about 5 minutes to make with editing so don’t expect too much.

Recruitment Post

     Well, we have setup a site, hashed out rules and settled on our app so all that we have left to do is recruit. :( Recruiting has not been fun. I have been mocked and laughed at more in the last 3 days than in my entire life. I have tried serious posts and funny ones with an equal lack of luck.  So today I will be brainstorming different recruitment messages to see which looks best typed out.

<Primus Inter Pares> Got loot? Apply at pipus.somedomain.com

We are a new guild looking to expand our ranks. We are looking for mature and fun players with toons 80+. PST for more info or apply at pipus.somedomain.com

.ofni erom rof TSP ro moc.remurof.supip ta ylppa nac srediar ykaenS .[rorriM etitengaM] ruoy barg kciuq ,uoy no pu gnikaens ylwolS

Enjoy 20+ hours of work on raid bosses to claim server first, apply at GoL. If you enjoy progressing at a slower and more relaxed pace give us a try. Fun players who have great raid awareness and are willing to help each other improve. Apply at pipus.somedomain.com.

New 10 man guild looking to expand our ranks. We enjoy metal music, long walks on the beach and ruthlessly destroying internet dragons. Dislikes include socks with sandals and scrubs. Please apply at pipus.somedomain.com or PST for more info.

<Primus Inter Pares>We offer repairs, bank tabs, and vent. We plan on raiding in 10 mans as soon as we recruit enough players and can offer a friendly and funny environment in which to play. Please apply at pipus.somedomain.com or PST for more info.

     Well, I have been sitting here for 20 minutes and this is all I have. Sigh, luckily the Dawnbringer server has plenty of unguilded 80+ toons who are hopefully desperate for a guild that even remotely tries to be original. If anyone reading this thinks they have some pointers to share, please do. :) I am more than willing to admit I can greatly improve on recruitment messages.

Edit 01/26/2011 19:37  After a day spent in Trade, I have decided our guild’s new recruitment message will be: <Primus Inter Pares> We spell checked our name so you wouldn’t be ashamed to have it under yours. PST for more information about how we can make your life less embarrassing.

Edit 01/31/2011 15:54 I came up with what I hope is a catchy limerick for recruitment:

There once was a toon quite skilled,
He decided he needed a guild,
He never got laid
so decided to raid
and a spot in PIP was filled. PST for more info.

Guild Rules


After a bit of discussion, we decided that we do not want to accept just any applicant.  Even though our guild currently consists of 4 players we will take applications for positions.  After weighing the pros and cons, we decided it was better to be selective about the tiny amount of interest we were getting then to just fill up our guild with warm bodies.  That being the case we setup some forums and are trying to hash out our guild rules.

     We want the focus in our guild to be on maturity, experience, patience, support, advice, fun, companionship and dedication.  We also want to foster a fun environment where the thick-skinned and sarcastic can thrive so we will be trying to incorporate that into the rules.  I saw that I am getting a few views and would love if I could get some comments on better wording or need to clarify what is intended before I post this to our forums.

Primus Inter Pares Rules

Mission Statement:  We would like to foster a community of mature players pursuing the common goal of end game raiding in a supportive environment that fosters friendliness and patience.

Conduct Rules

  1. We have no problem with any of the following and chances are good if you do we might not be the guild for you.  Profanity, sarcasm, references to non-addictive narcotics, drinking, cigarettes, sex (in a non-explicit way and very seldom), massive egos (everyone looks at Igigi), pop culture references, geek humor and other things too long to list but this should give you a good idea.
  2. Praise should be public and criticism should be private.  You may say whatever you want to another player in regards to their character as long as it is civil but you may not spam raid chat, guild chat, the forums or trade chat with examples of why they suck.  If they are that bad they know it and your pointing it out to the server and guild accomplishes nothing.  Instead, see if they need assistance through a whisper or if you do not want to make it your problem, please inform an officier.   There have been a lot of changes in game and some players need a little help pointing them in the right direction for new priorities on their abilities.  If someone can not improve then the officers will handle the situation.  Please do not exacerbate the problem by pointing out their flaws in a hateful manner.
  3. Sexual harassment will not be tolerated.  A sexist joke is fine, I mean, everyone knows that women are better than men and humor can make that bitter pill easier for them to swallow.  :P  But contrary to what many men believe, women do not play to meet men.  There is a good chance that we are already in a committed relationship and do not want to a. dance naked for in game gold, b. whisper naughty things to you, or c. hear about how you would treat us better due to your massive wang, über job or whatever you are trying to entice us with.  Please do not come on to female guild members, you will be kicked.  There will be no second chances.
  4. We ask for all guild members to be considerate and polite to non-guildies unless they deserve our loathing.
  5. We do not condone the use of cheats or exploits.
  6. Backstabbing, ninja looting, begging, scamming and overcharging suck.  Do not be that guy who makes a profit by selling donated mats from guildies on AH.  Do not roll need if you really plan on AHing an item.  Do not do anything that in real life would get you sued. 

 Participation Rules

  1. We require that all guild members register and regularly log onto the forums.
  2. We require that everyone log onto vent when raiding, you do not have to talk but you must be there for strategy before the pull.
  3. We ask all guild members to sign up for as many activities as they can reasonably expect to enjoy doing without getting burnout. We do not have a minimum number of events you must run and we understand that  RL comes first. We also understand that even when raiding you have commitments you must maintain such as children, your boss calling, etc.  No one will be penalized for going AFK for a reasonable amount of time to deal with these sorts of things as long as they inform the raid. 
  4. Please visit the progression thread and review the raiding requirements to know what we expect if you participate in our raids.

Disciplinary Rules

  1. All members and the guild leadership are expected to follow these rules refusal to do so will lead to disciplinary actions.  Disciplinary actions can range from fines to go to the lock box to /gkick depending on how severe they are. All disciplinary actions will be discussed by guild leadership before implementation and warnings will be given for all but the most serious first time offences.
  2. Inactivity for longer than 1 month without informing guild leadership will result in a removal from the guild.  If you inform leadership of the reason and expected return date,  we will accommodate you.